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Dearest Merv: Here is the unabridged copy of Hansard; I am certain Bruce will take out all the BS I type into it; but I never know what is good and what is not; as I think like a wimmins, it’s all good. I suppose you are to read it, and ensure nothing is critical or crucial or sueable; and then post it if you wish. I have not done a final copy this is what you see is what you get, as I wanted you to get it soon. LOL – Hope life is treating you just peachy.
Donna BCPMA Meeting Oct 27 2007 Present Merv Lewis Bruce Chaytor Steve Fulbrook Terry Pidwerbeski Fran Mcpherson Gerald York Peter Dergousoff Jim Gibson Don Carter Jason Jacob Cal Olson 10:12 Vern Webb 10:12
Meeting Started At 9:30am:
Read Minutes Of 2007 Minutes Adopted –
Errors And
Omissions Steve Fulbrook did not think he wrote the letter to BCEID, Merv Lewis confirmed he did. Terry Pidwerbeski Noted His Name Was Not Spelled Correc Don Carter Accepted Jason Jacob 2nd Motion
New Business Read: Atlin Not Had A Meeting In Years New Contact Is John Zogas – Road Activations: Problems – Jason Commented It Has Settled Down, Bruce Questioned ~ Any More Issues On Road Problems – None Criminal Background Checks – Terry Pidwerbeski Is Going To Test It This Year – Exemption For Placer Miners – Gate Removed Last Year Could Have Been Logging Trucks Merv Lewis Comments It Is Ridiculous, We Are Either A Sovereign Nation Or We Are Not. Terry Pidwerbeski, Was Near Border Staking And Set Off A Border Alert – Checked Out By RCMP – Drug Squad Because He Was There At 5am.Bruce Could There Be A Provision To Register Yourself, To Get Across The Gate. Peter Dergousoff Said The $50 For The Key Is Fine, However The Criminal Records Check Is Foolish. Fran Mcpherson: Point Made Stewart And Hyder Need To Cross The Border To Get To Their Mining Spots.
Gerald York Wants To Send A Letter To BC
Hydro And Have A Letter Supporting Him By BC Placer Mines, to Obtain
Unrestricted Access Through BC Hydro’s Gate, Without A Criminal Records
Check For Exclusive Mining Purposes. This S Being Done On Principal,
Accessed By Boat Previous, But Require Land Access. Gerald York Will write Letter Send To B Chaytor And It Will Be Proofed And Then Sent As A Letter Of Support To Gerald And He Will Forward It. All In Favor – No Opposed : Passed
Grizzly Bear Habitat Issue : A Non Issue, All Access By Recreation, Lapidary Clubs Etc., All Being Denied. Peter Dergousoff Commented That We Must Be Aware That Access Is Being Denied Consistently – And We Have To Continue To Be Aware. Placer Mining Act: Assorted Regulations: Nothing Happened – Bennet Was In Middle Of It All – Fred Herman Chief Mines Inspector – Has Been Replaced By Doug Sweeney Makes Fred Herman Look Like A Good Guy – (Fran McPherson) He Is A PGO PN And A PHG In Both, He Spent His Time Teaching Has No Field Experience. Authority To Sign Off Is For Person In Each Office. If The Senior Person Is Away No One Can Sign. This Will Be An Action Point. Fran McPherson States This Is An Issue That Has To Be Addressed. Jason Jacob Says, The Big Guys Will Not Allow This To Happen,. He Is Trying To Make Decisions But Will Get Nowhere. It Will Be A Action That Will Have To Be Taken Up By The BCPMA. They Have Also Received Province Wide A Budget Cut Back, Budgets Are Lower Than 2005. MTO Has Generated A Lot Of Money, Why Is It Not Going Back Into The Industry. Fran McPherson Has Applied For Variances – He Wants People To Work No More Than 10 Hours A Day 5 Days A Week. Gerald York Remarked About His Work Week. Double Standards Are Being Done Action: Letter Stating Additional Resources Need To Be Allocated To The Permitting Process And There Should No Be Restrictions On Which Inspections Can Do The Approvals Of Applications. Don Carter Stated This Is Opposed To Our Fundamental Right. Action: Fran McPherson States Permitting On Placer Leases Should Not Be Restricted To Site Specific, Rather It Should Be Area Based In General Approved On An Annual Basis With Annual Reporting. Should Be Based On The Honor Basis. Bruce Chaytor: Sidebar – Received A Notice Of What Had To Be Done The Year Before January 31, But I Actually March 31 (Fran McPherson) The Following Year. Bruce Said He Caught Someone In A Meeting; Fran McPherson States Repercussions Are If You Do Not File, They Will Not Be Issuing You Another Permit. Fran, People Do Not Know What Is Written In Their Permits. Fran Is Talking About Big Company’s, Hard Rock. Fran McPherson States: There Is A New Phrase In The Permits That You Must Progressively And Continually Reclaim, Fill In Your Hole Behind You, And If You Don’t You Make Your Permit Invalid – By Virture If You Have Not Done Your Paperwork, Don Carter – We Have Had Multiple Inspections On The Fraser River, We Were Digging The Holes And Logging, And We Were Being Consistently Hassled For Not Filling In The Holes., We Were Being Filmed, To Log The Holes, And They Were Deriding Me To Fill Them Up Immediately. Fran McPherson – You Can Deal With This On Your Application, Your Claim Must State Within The Application That These Holes Will Be Left Open……… Fran McPherson Liability Insurance: Club Liability And Inspectors. Bruce Chaytor Comments On The Liability Insurance On The Island. Fran McPherson Asks Cost $1500.00 Year. Difference Between Recreational And Commercial. Pulling Bridges Out Reduces The Amount Of Area For Silverculture – Was Changed As A Liability, But Sustainability Must Be Accountable For – Logging Company’s And Paid Dollars For Removing Them. Jason Jacobson– Political Shift In Last Government – Website – 385 Hits – Merv Lewis - Cal Olson Agreed Popular Page Is Political Issues, Buy & Sell Ad Contacts. Provider, Says We Get A Lot Of Hits From Across Canada. Cal Olson And Merv Lewis Discussed, We Need Someone From Each Of The Districts, Who Will On A Regular Basis Submit Material To Us. Ie Trying To Get A President’s Message Across….CMA Has A Nice Story Board (Easy Board). Purpose Of Web Site To Direct Inquiries To The Different Areas Within The Province - BC Site Would Direct You To The Site. Has Focus Changed? No, But Cal Olson Has Added Content To Make It Interesting. Should There Not Be Contributions From Each Of The Member Groups…..Fran McPherson It Should Represent Views And Comments Of Each Of The Different Groups, And Should Include The Legislation And Political Issues. Cost Of Website $25.00 A Year $11.60 To Keep It on line. Make An Appeal In Form Of A Letter For A Contribution Monthly – Merv Lewis, Fran McPherson This Is What I Am Doing……..Cal Olson – I Have A Dream That Someone In Atlin Would Possibly Have Some Input. Fran McPherson Does Ominica Have An Organization. Yes, There Are People Up There. Fran McPherson, Is This Not A Vehicle For Organizations And Not Personal, Merv Lewis Yes, But We Are Looking For Any Representation. Fran McPherson Agrees To Give Cal Olson Names, That He Could Carry On, Fran McPherson Says, Do Not Exclude Individuals, But Do Not Forget We Are Representing The Groups. Bruce Chaytor Is Stating, That There Are Areas That Do Not Have Representation, But Even Getting One Involved, May Make Inclusiveness To The Area. Fran McPherson Says Omineca Has Some Booming Operations – Don Carter, States That The Cariboo Allow Anyone To Come To The Meetings. Jim Gibson States That He Travels 100 Miles To Get To Meetings. Merv Lewis: Can We Pass A Resolution That We Can Make A Contact List Of Each Group In Order To Get Information. What Is Our Capacity - . Fran McPherson Put Up PDG Links. Do We Have A Date – Fran McPherson Lets Say November 15 – Bruce States That Everything Goes At Such A Glacial Speed, It Is Listening To Rhetoric – So There Is Really Nothing That Has Any Meat In It. Fran McPherson What Is Wrong With A Slanted And Bias Report – You May Generate A Lot Of Letters To Government To Deal With It. Don Carter states. Cal Olson Makes A Motion To Form A Committee That Does 10 Interviews A Year, Clarified By Merv Lewis 10 Interviews Submitted, From The Different Areas. Cal Olson says 3 Of Us We Do 5 Interviews Each, And We Take 10 Out Of The 15. Merv Lewis Is This Workable In Your Area Gerald York – No We Will Be Busy For Awhile, Because We Are Dealing With The Land Conservancy. Vern Webb Seconds The Motion. Cal Olson Moves That We Form An Active Committee Of 3 Members To Do Interviews In Each Year, And Post Them On The Web Site By This Time Next Year. Vern Webb Seconded Motion All In Favor Three Committee Members Fran – Cariboo And Omenica Cal Olson– Vernon Area Gerald York – Commits For Region For Problems Bruce Chaytor – Vancouver Island Motion Passed Try Posting Minutes Of Each Group On The Site. – Fran McPherson – Agreed Vancouver Island 70% Of Area Has Been Sold CRD, And Will Not Even Speak To Anyone Until After The Moratorium – Fran McPherson Also Has Issue With Creek. Discussions With Rick Conte – They Can Wait Us Out - But They Can Also Buy Us Out Compensations For Leases But Not For Claims. Dredging Permit Issue – Had Meeting With Feds, Went Well, Came Up With Their Risk Management Strategy We Have Taken On Chuck Neucombe Who Was The Leading Person On Dirty Water For The Province, And Is Enthusiastic To Work With Us For Dredging With Best Water Practices Yukon – Fran McPherson DFO Got The 30 Meter Setback – Some Site Specific Are Still Okay…..It I Same As Atlin Where The Creeks Are Deregulated – We Have None – Fran McPherson DFO Has Been Trying To Enact The 30 Meter Set Back Areas For All Over BC Some Areas Are Approved – Mills Fill It Cariboo River 30 Meter Set Back.
Provincial Organizations Should Be Dealing
With This. Regulations Written – Drill Sites Within 30 Meters Of A Creek
Environment Shut Them Down – How They Read Is Diamond Drilling And Road
Construction – Environment Was Reading It To Cover All Areas. Fran States
It Is A Problem Area, A Push Must Be Made To Retain These Rights Or They
Will Be Lost.. New Business Don Carter – Serious Discrepancy Judge Asked What Authority Do You Have For Being In The Province, It Is Because We Are In Canada, They Are Operating With A Memorandum Of Understanding, So They Pushed Ahead For There Regulations And Rules – Bruneu Decision Overturned The Ability Of The Province To Sign Any MOU’s With The Province, So They Were Usurping The Ability And Bypassing The Regulation process , It Was Deemed They Were Illegally Working With Cra, And Rev Canada And Secondly Illegally Cooperation On Other MOU’s And Was Directly Going To The Federal Fisheries, Indian Lands And Federal Lands Were Not In Canada. Province Under Yukon NWT And Nunavut – Chapter 121 Interpretation Act Of Canada From The And Canada Survey Act, You Will see The Provinces Are Not Affected Fisheries, Represented Canada, Inland Waters Not The Provinces, They Got Ito The Province By Signing MOU’s, And The Bruneau Decision Overturns It 2004. When Brouht Nirma Lawson Versus The Federal Fisheries, They Have No Right Or Authorities. What Right Do Federal Fisheries Have. We Are Accepting A Fraud By Not Doing Our Research. MTO Legacy Claims: They Have Their Approval From The Surveyor General And They Can Strike The Legacy Claims In January. It Is Incredulous, As They Can Discount A Stake – And In The Ground They Were The Legal Survey Posts – Fran Stated Unless They Are Not Legally Surveyed, They Do Not Exist. Fran Says, It I Where They Drew Their Map. Duration Of The Legacy Claims Gives You The Option To Ensure That Is Where Your Claim Is. Fran My Understanding Is Even After They Do A Freeze, They Will Still Make Alterations After. Freezing The Map Is A Misnomer. For Six Months, You Hire A Contractor And You Take Care Of Your Claim. Good Side – Fran McPherson If you Want To Go To Lease, You Will Only Have To Do The Application Fee…………. Jim Gibson Are They talking About Disposing Of Legacy Claims. Bruce Chaytor states No, It Is Only A Matter of Staking. Club Ownership Of Claims – No Success In Getting A Change In This. Lapidary Clubs. Merv Lewis – Vernon Was Invited To Join, It Is On Their Agenda. Don Carter Back To Page Three – Thank You For The Note On My Name, I Am Percolating Along In A Category Of 2 Where I Was In A 7 , And My Arteries Are Now In A 5 And Before Were A 7. BC Is Not Resolved – If You Say You Disagree To Your Right, the Purpose Of Submission Is You Are Asking To Occupy The Land. Reiterate – Violates The Constitution On Several Manners. It Must Be Taken To Court. Ultimately I See It As Being A Challenge, Whether I Do It Alone Or As A Class Action It Is A Pending Situation Task Force Recommendation – Brought Up – 49 Recommendations 6 Million They Publically Announced They Spent On It, But It Is 12 . No, I Want The Recommendations Put Together The Papers Put Together And Put Forth Before Cabinet. It Is A Breach Of Trust, A Breach Of Fiduciary Duty. Ralph Sultan Was Very Upset Of The Fact That The Government Did Not Bother With His Report.. Task Force Recommendations The Recommendations Were Neglected. It Was An Internal Document Which Was Not To Be Released. Has Anyone Spoke To Ralph, Or Bill Bennett? He Is Out Of The Scene, And Not Happy About How He Left.,, And Specifically Think This Government Should Be Embarrassed For Its Tardy Handling, Dictatorship. Don Carter Made A Motion That The BCPMA Makes A Formal Request To Request The Recommendations From The Task Force And Their Response Within Ten Days Upon Receipt. Independent Double Registered Letter – Premier This Is To Be Sent To Neufelt And Kreuger. We Want The Response In Writing Within Ten Days Of Receipt. Submission Of Letter By November 01, 2007. Accountability – Disclosure – Recourse. Palmer Reporter From Vancouver – The Province. Cc The Response Or No Response Will Be Forwarded To The Directors Of Each Group And A Decision Will Then Be Made By December 15, And By This Date The Member Organization Will Decide The Action And The Action Committee On The Task Force Of 2004 – Versus The Mts Of January 2005. Lunch Break – Old Business Taken Care Of. Lunch Break Motion – Merv Lewis First Jason Jacob Seconded Motion….. Meeting Reconvenes 2:04pm Merv Lewis Financial Report January 01, 2007 Balance 964.24 ~ $102 To Cal Olson For Maintaining Website, get Frontpage software. $116.00 To This Room Today. $1224.89. Copy Of Activity Given. Questions On Financial Division. Motion To Accept Financial Report First By Merv Lewis Seconded By Jason Jacob. All In Favor. Merv Lewis, We Are Doing Good, We Do Not Have To Raise Our Rate. Fran McPherson, Well it is Not Much If You Have To Launch A Court Suit.Merv Lewis. Unless, We Are Faced With It; Then We Have A Cause For The Member Organizations To Kick In. District Reports
Jason Jacob: East Kootenay Every Thing Good
Merv Lewis: Vernon District Report:
Merv Lewis asks, How Do We Maintain Our Membership? Used To Go Into Schools, But The Mentality Is Not There, And Perhaps The Environmentally Thinking People Don’t Want Us.. People Come Out For Meetings, But Then Realize There Is Work Involved.
Bruce Chaytor Suggests Signage Up At Panning Reserve Near Cherryvillle
Put Up Sign Of Public Panning Site, And Put Phone Number To Join. Cal Olson Says A Sensible Dredging Permit. Fran McPherson Says Put An Ad In The Paper And State Where It Is.
Merv Lewis Says He Is Happy To Hear That This Can Help With Our Next Meeting.
Fran McPherson From Cariboo District.
Problems: Going Past Private Lands. And Newly Created District Lots After 1988 No One Owns The Minerals. The Gov Will Let You Stake The Ground, You Do Not Own The Minerals. The Government Is Creating Staking Lots Left Right And Center, But Will Never Be Put On The Act. If The Crown Is Giving Up The Rights, They Don’t Have The Right To Give Up The Rights.
This Was Enacted In 1988.
Expanding Special RMZ All Over The Province. Cariboo Enhancement Projects, How Does This Affect The Mineral Business? Fran McPherson They Completely Closed Off Two Of The Areas.
Cariboo And Ominica – They Talk And Say They Will Drop All The Zero Staking Reserve, Or They Will Drop The Protected Areas ~ Breech Of Trust – They Did Not Follow Through. If You Do Hard Rock, You Can Not Do Placer – Bruce Chaytor Arguing All Those Boundaries Are All In House Minerals Etc., They Were Internal. Fran McPherson states Nothing Is Happening In Resolving This. North Of Kamloops Lake They Have Just Put In A Reserve,
Don Carter states This Is Fraud. We Were To Set Aside 14 % They Took 21%, 30 Percent Of The Land We Can Not Get Near.
Merv Lewis They Were Lying Through There Teeth When They Did The LRP Process. Don Carter 200 Mitre Riparian On The Black Water AAINS All Logic.
We May Have Some Impact Against Government.
Bruce Chaytor – Barkerville The Scenic Area, Laugh . The Ones With No Trees, First Or Second Page Of Plan Does Not Exclude Public Us
Fran McPherson 30 Meter Set Backs On Some Of Our Creeks, Rivers Our Permit System Is Very Slow Bond Returns Are Very Slow Everything Has To Be Standardized Throughout The Province Placer Mining Has Been Very Big In The Cariboo.
Jason Jacob – It Has To Go Through The Prince George Office,
Fran McPherson – Prince George Is Understaffed,
Inspections Are Impossible, They Contracted Someone Else As They Were Too Busy.
Fran McPherson Some Of The Bonds Are 10 Years…..Past – Lack Of People..
Merv Lewis – Where Did Best Practices Go? Don Carter states Right On Merv.
We Require An Action On Best Practices.
Fran McPherson You Have A List Of Names, Etc., Which You Have To Gather Up; And (Tenure No.) Bonds – The Concrete Numbers Can Withstand Scrutiny to Support the Region Requires More and Additional Help. Dan Says There Is A Flash Back, And Our Position Is Delicate, And So It Is A Precarious Position.
We Need The Statistical Information To Justify The Claim. Bruce Chaytor Asks Fran McPherson About The Access Permit If You Are Denied Access You Must Go To Arbitration Mediation., Person Had Deed On Newly Deeded Lot. Land Owners Went In. Gold Commissioner Told Them They Could Not Be On That Land. I Said They Could. The Gold Commissioner Said They Could. Then The Commissioner Flip Flopped Again.That The Owner Should Be Going For Permits. Everyone Is Painting Themselves In The Best Of Light But No One Is Getting Anywhere. Fran McPherson Government Never Spoke About Changing The Claims From One Format Into Another, In Fact You Have To Be Incredibly Careful, Your Previous Rights Are Obliterated. You Have To Do Your Due Diligence, But Without The Information One Can Not Do Due Diligence.
Bounday - Terry Pidwerbeski – Permit Submitted, Did Not Get Back To Him Membership Up Is A Problem….Executive Is Very Busy In The Field, So A Meeting In A Month, Not Too Much Placer. But Merrit Mining Hard Rock, Is Putting In A Tailings Pond – Grand Forks Is In Turmoil In Respect To It. Everyone Has Been Super Busy.
Bruce Chaytor Vancouver Island – Water Board Buying Up Land, TLC Is Buying Up More And. Emerald Fields Staked 874 Acres Last March All On One Day; But Nothing Has Happened – Hard Rock………. Peter : Placer Right Now Not A Lot Of Action Lot Of Handwork, Interesting I Met A Couple Of Guys, Who Decided They Were Going To Dig, And So They Did. People Are Fed Up Trying To Get Permits. TLC Did A Public Swarm Before They Did Buy The Property, They Were Backed By The Rod & Gun Club, They Found The Mice And The Birds Gerald York: Chamber Went Through Tailings Near Nelson, Spent One Million To Prove It Was Harmful, Found A Bit OF Cadmium. So This I A Justification Of Spending Even More $$ On It. We Have Weird Map staking Patterns Happening.
Fran McPherson There Was A Certain Manner In Which They Would Do Permits, Etc,.,
District Of Atlin: By letter. Only Problem Is Land Claims (Natives Work Placer) First Nations Association Of Placer Miners Silver Creek Alexander Alkali
Election Of Officers: Merv Lewis Makes A Motion That The Current Existing Officers Stand. Jason Jacob Seconded Motion All In Favor Applied
New Business
Written Notice To Access Lands Causing Much Grief. They Are Not Noticed In Discussing This At All Answer We Are Not Interested In All, We Are Looking For Assistance In Implementation Notice Of Objections. You Can Serve Them With Notice That You Will Charge Them With Class Action Court Case Take Under Advisement Check Out With The Different Districts Cal mentions MTO's double dipping . Just Put Another Line In When You Are Putting In Your work in lieu would solve it. Fran McPherson They Made It Very Clear That If You Choose To Overstake A Legacy Lease You Still Pay As You Are Waiting For Your Neighbor To Forfeit. Bruce Chaytor Will Make An Enquiry About The Double Dipping… Bruce Chaytor Any Criticism On The Letter I Sent Around. No Any Further New Business Mount Poly Mine Discharge Into (Mine Effluent) Into Quesnell Lake Kicked Up A Big Stink. Discharge Permits Should ID Whether It Will Or Not. Gage Holmes Runs Fisheries. David Suzuki. Sierra ClubEnvironmental Groups – Will Not Back Off – They Will Find Another Angle. Gettting paid by govt. grants to cause trouble. Any Further Business
Merv Lewis Would Like To See Minutes Of This Circulated In A Timely Fashion. Donna Responds Yes Will Do Merv Lewis Motioned To Adjourn. Jason Jacobs Seconded
Meeting Ended 4:30PM.
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